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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
1 month(s) 18 day(s) ago
You have Houston with 2 second round selections. They traded one of those to Buffalo as part of the Stefon Diggs trade.
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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
6 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide

Bills GM Brandon Beane is really taking a beating here locally for not only refusing to pick a needed WR in round 1, but also for trading with their biggest AFC rival allowing KC to select their next Tyreek Hill.

Did Beane get a lobotomy Thursday morning, or perhaps have an extra martini while waiting hours for pick 28 to come up? It makes me wonder if a possible trade is brewing with SF for Brandon Aiyuk? If this is a possibility, the trade could happen in early June when BUF would get a $10M cap boost.

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petermwb 15 Posts (0)
6 month(s) 23 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

the bills seem to be very thin at wide receiver, however, keon coleman was a great pick, but they need more.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
6 month(s) 24 day(s) ago

Bills GM Brandon Beane is really taking a beating here locally for not only refusing to pick a needed WR in round 1, but also for trading with their biggest AFC rival allowing KC to select their next Tyreek Hill.

Did Beane get a lobotomy Thursday morning, or perhaps have an extra martini while waiting hours for pick 28 to come up? It makes me wonder if a possible trade is brewing with SF for Brandon Aiyuk? If this is a possibility, the trade could happen in early June when BUF would get a $10M cap boost.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
6 month(s) 24 day(s) ago - hide

Bills GM Brandon Beane is really taking a beating here locally for not only refusing to pick a needed WR in round 1, but also for trading with their biggest AFC rival allowing KC to select their next Tyreek Hill.

Did Beane get a lobotomy Thursday morning, or perhaps have an extra martini while waiting hours for pick 28 to come up? It makes me wonder if a possible trade is brewing with SF for Brandon Aiyuk? If this is a possibility, the trade could happen in early June when BUF would get a $10M cap boost.

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WFDevTeam 64 Posts (14 )
6 month(s) 24 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

I just feel if anything the Chiefs should have to pay a tax of losing a player like Hill every season they have Mahomes.  Its just not fair.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 13 day(s) ago

Walter Football's Team Free Agent Grades section states that if Tyron Smith and Mike Williams are healthy the Jets "have a great shot at the Super Bowl." WHAT??  The Jets will be lucky if they have a winning record.

First of all, Tyron Smith is rarely healthy, and Williams has an ACL which everyone knows is a 2 year injury before a player returns to his normal production.

I hate to say this about Bitter's team (since he brings so much solid analysis and knowledge to the comments section of this website), but the NYJ, although improved, are nowhere near the Super Bowl discussion this year.

 
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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 13 day(s) ago - hide

Walter Football's Team Free Agent Grades section states that if Tyron Smith and Mike Williams are healthy the Jets "have a great shot at the Super Bowl." WHAT??  The Jets will be lucky if they have a winning record.

First of all, Tyron Smith is rarely healthy, and Williams has an ACL which everyone knows is a 2 year injury before a player returns to his normal production.

I hate to say this about Bitter's team (since he brings so much solid analysis and knowledge to the comments section of this website), but the NYJ, although improved, are nowhere near the Super Bowl discussion this year.

 
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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
7 month(s) 11 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

1 KC

2 BAL

3 HOU

4 BUF

5 CIN

Then it's the Jets in a scrum with JAX, IND, MIA, CLE, PIT, LAC and maybe LV for the last two playoff spots...and that's IF Rodgers, Hall, M. Williams and T. Smith stay healthy. Long odds.

My biggest fear is that the Jets are a year too late with the all-in approach. It should have began the minute they signed Rodgers and decided to put all of their eggs in that basket. Now Rodgers is coming off a major injury and approaching 41, an age when even the greatest of the all-time great QBs (save for Brady) saw their performance fall off a cliff.

At least there's YouTube, where I can find comfort in Al Toon highlight videos and watching Matt Snell run wild over the Colts for the hundredth time in SBIII.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 15 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

At the risk of being labeled as a "homer", I was not about to suggest (as you did) that Kincaid could be the top TE in the AFC this year. But I agree with you.

Diggs had 160 targets last year, and someone else on the Bills will be receiving quite a few more targets- so I nominate Kincaid. Seems logical, right?

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 16 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

I just bought Kincaid's jersey last week, and will be proudly wearing it at the Bills stadium in September. That guy has a very bright future.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 16 day(s) ago

@The Champ

I'm sure by now Vegas oddsmakers have raised the Bills Super Bowl odds- as they should. The malcontent is gone and he will be missed. But if BUF waited until next year at this time to trade him, I'm sure they would not receive anything close to a 2nd round pick. Diggs will turn 32 in the 2025 season and he is slipping. Check out his receiving stats in the second half of last year- pretty disappointing. He will help the Texans this year but I wonder how many years he will be there considering his age and high salary. 

 
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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 17 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter

Never thought Bills would trade Diggs this year because of cap considerations. As it turns out the Bills will get a 31 Million dead cap hit due to this trade.

I guess there is no question now that Buffalo will draft WR in the first round. Knowing GM Brandon Beane's history of moving up in the first round - I predict a move upwards to select Brian Thomas. We'll see how good of a soothsayer I am. Just call me Carnac the Magnificent if I'm right.

 
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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago - hide

OK, let's hear from everybody on this (especially those of you who diligently read but don't comment).

I'm thinking there is a strong possibility that the first 4 picks will all be QBs. Arizona at 4 certainly needs help almost everywhere and could use the additional picks. What are your thoughts out there? I also think that 6 QBs could very well go in round 1. Remember, next year's QB draft class is not supposed to be a stellar group.

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jtrapp1962 10 Posts (3 )
7 month(s) 24 day(s) ago
@42yardline It may fall that way, but it will just further prove that the only difference between an average fan here and an NFL GM is connections.
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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

OK, let's hear from everybody on this (especially those of you who diligently read but don't comment).

I'm thinking there is a strong possibility that the first 4 picks will all be QBs. Arizona at 4 certainly needs help almost everywhere and could use the additional picks. What are your thoughts out there? I also think that 6 QBs could very well go in round 1. Remember, next year's QB draft class is not supposed to be a stellar group.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago - hide

OK, let's hear from everybody on this (especially those of you who diligently read but don't comment).

I'm thinking there is a strong possibility that the first 4 picks will all be QBs. Arizona at 4 certainly needs help almost everywhere and could use the additional picks. What are your thoughts out there? I also think that 6 QBs could very well go in round 1. Remember, next year's QB draft class is not supposed to be a stellar group.

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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
7 month(s) 26 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

Denver is a possibility. The Raiders, too. The Broncos have the worst QB depth chart in the league right now. I'm just not sure how they pull it off with so many holes on the roster and no 2nd rounder. Payton isn't opposed to sacrificing future picks, that's for sure.

Still, MIN has to be the heavy favorite to trade up for a top-4 QB. The MIN depth chart is talented enough for a rookie to start immediately and have some success. (Something similar to Ben Roethlisberger in 2004 maybe.) A raw rookie like Maye or McCarthy would be doomed in DEN. Sticking and picking Nix or trading down for Nix or Penix seems more logical. Who knows, though. Desperate times/desperate measures, and Payton/Paton have been making questionable decisions in DEN. 

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago - hide

OK, let's hear from everybody on this (especially those of you who diligently read but don't comment).

I'm thinking there is a strong possibility that the first 4 picks will all be QBs. Arizona at 4 certainly needs help almost everywhere and could use the additional picks. What are your thoughts out there? I also think that 6 QBs could very well go in round 1. Remember, next year's QB draft class is not supposed to be a stellar group.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 27 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

The 3 way trade certainly makes a lot of sense. However, I wouldn't count out Sean Payton making some noise on that front. He is desperate to get "his guy" to get rid of the bad taste in his mouth that Russ Wilson left.

If Payton offers the moon to some team, obviously they would have to look at it.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago - hide

OK, let's hear from everybody on this (especially those of you who diligently read but don't comment).

I'm thinking there is a strong possibility that the first 4 picks will all be QBs. Arizona at 4 certainly needs help almost everywhere and could use the additional picks. What are your thoughts out there? I also think that 6 QBs could very well go in round 1. Remember, next year's QB draft class is not supposed to be a stellar group.

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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
7 month(s) 28 day(s) ago

@42yardline

I think the only way we see a straight trade between ARI and MIN is if Justin Jefferson is involved. I know the Vikings have said that they're not planning on trading Jefferson, but what teams say in March isn't worth a spit. It's highly unlikely, but not impossible. The MIN front office is all about the analytics and financial balance, so there's a chance they would be okay with moving forward with Jordan Addison as an economical WR1 and T.J. Hockenson as their top 2 aerial weapons.

But The Champ's proposal is probably what will happen.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago - hide

OK, let's hear from everybody on this (especially those of you who diligently read but don't comment).

I'm thinking there is a strong possibility that the first 4 picks will all be QBs. Arizona at 4 certainly needs help almost everywhere and could use the additional picks. What are your thoughts out there? I also think that 6 QBs could very well go in round 1. Remember, next year's QB draft class is not supposed to be a stellar group.

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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
7 month(s) 28 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

Six QBs could easily go in the 1st RD. After the top six guys, there's a huge fall off. Spencer Rattler is the only prospect after the top six with a chance of going before the 5th RD, IMO.

I don't think QB-needy teams are ever too concerned about what might be available in future drafts. It drives me nuts when I see mocks that have a QB-needy team passing on QB to "wait for Sanders or Ewers". First of all, if Sanders and Ewers are that good, there's no guarantee teams at the top of the '25 draft won't just want them for themselves. Secondly, for all we know the whole Colorado/Prime Time thing could implode next season and Sanders transfers again, and Ewers could continue to struggle with inconsistency and lose his job to Arch Manning. There's just so much unknown involved. It wasn't that long ago that mock drafts were suggesting QB-needy teams should "wait until next year for Spencer Rattler". NFL teams don't operate like that.

QBs at 1-2-3-4 could happen. I buy what Monti Ossenfort is selling when he says he's open for business at 1.04, but at the same time I'm still convinced ARI wants MHJ.

More than anything, ARI is about affording Kyler Murray every opportunity for success. I think an All Pro WR is what they want, not more late-1st/Day 2 picks (of which they already have plenty). Even with all that cap space, the Cardinals have done basically nothing to address their WR depth chart. Teams almost always sign a reasonable hedge or two at need positions to allow for more draft day flexibility. The Cardinals have done nothing. This suggests two things:

1) ARI knows QBs are going 1-2-3.

2) They want MHJ at 1.04 and only a ridiculous king's ransom will get them to trade any lower than 1.05.

The Champ's proposed three-way deal could be exactly what we see happen.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
8 month(s) 2 day(s) ago - hide
Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 28 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

High maintenance is an understatement for Diggs. He's like the beautiful, narcissistic girl you date - very high maintenance, always looking for more, and definitely not worth the trouble. People like that are never happy.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
8 month(s) 2 day(s) ago
Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago - hide

OK, let's hear from everybody on this (especially those of you who diligently read but don't comment).

I'm thinking there is a strong possibility that the first 4 picks will all be QBs. Arizona at 4 certainly needs help almost everywhere and could use the additional picks. What are your thoughts out there? I also think that 6 QBs could very well go in round 1. Remember, next year's QB draft class is not supposed to be a stellar group.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 28 day(s) ago

@The Champ 

Interesting idea with the 3 team trade. When you look at all the teams that need an upgrade at QB, there could be a lot of trade activity especially in the bottom half of the first round. Nobody wants to strike out this year with the lack of good QB options in next year's draft.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago - hide

OK, let's hear from everybody on this (especially those of you who diligently read but don't comment).

I'm thinking there is a strong possibility that the first 4 picks will all be QBs. Arizona at 4 certainly needs help almost everywhere and could use the additional picks. What are your thoughts out there? I also think that 6 QBs could very well go in round 1. Remember, next year's QB draft class is not supposed to be a stellar group.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

@42yardline I've had the QB's going 1-2-3-4 as soon as I heard Daniel Jeremiah saying on a podcast (the day of the trade where Minnesota moved up to get #23, I believe) that this would be the case.  His theory was, simply, that you don't make that move unless you have a promise from a team in the top 4 that they would take a deal where you procured them a second 1st Round pick.  And if the promise came from the Chargers or Giants, let's say, you have no way of knowing that Arizona couldn't trade out of 4 and foil your plan, if you're Minnesota.  So yes, I believe that at the very least, Arizona has assured them that they would accept 11 and 23 for 4.  

And there's another theory I've seen floated, one that I borrowed on my own mock, which is this:  what if Minnesota, Arizona, and the Chargers have essentially agreed to a 3-way trade?  One where Minnesota comes up to 4 to take McCarthy, Arizona moves to 5 to still get Harrison Jr., and the Chargers get 5 and 35 out of it?  We've seen reports that Arizona loves MHJ, and that the Chargers are interested in moving down if it gets the right offer.  Well, couldn't this be something where all 3 teams get what they want?  Minnesota procured #23 and uses it to get McCarthy.  Arizona still gets MHJ and actually moves up from #35 to #23 in the exchange.  And the Chargers come out well ahead on the trade value chart if they turn 5 into 11 and 35.  

I could see 6 QB's in the 1st, I agree with you, and I think it's a virtual certainty that we will see 5.  

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago - hide

Well, Bitter (and Champ) the overwhelming feeling here in Buffalo is that this coming season will be Diggs last here. Impossible to drop him now due to cap considerations, and no one would trade for his high compensation package anyway.

GM Brandon Beane is one of the best in the business, and I believe he will do the right thing and cut him next March. It's the old Belichick theory that it is better to get rid of someone a year early than a year late. Besides, as everyone knows, Diggs can be a handful to accommodate (just ask the Vikings).

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

Spoken like a true Rochesterian.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

Well, Bitter (and Champ) the overwhelming feeling here in Buffalo is that this coming season will be Diggs last here. Impossible to drop him now due to cap considerations, and no one would trade for his high compensation package anyway.

GM Brandon Beane is one of the best in the business, and I believe he will do the right thing and cut him next March. It's the old Belichick theory that it is better to get rid of someone a year early than a year late. Besides, as everyone knows, Diggs can be a handful to accommodate (just ask the Vikings).

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
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Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

@The Champ 

I'm thinking (right or wrong) that Brian Thomas would be the better choice for the Bills at 28 but I don't expect him to get to us. You mention Worthy to the Chiefs at 32 which would break my heart. The Bills havn't been able to get past KC starting with the Mahommes/Tyreek Hill connection. For Mahommes to get Worthy (as Yogi Berra would say) - it would be Deja Vue all over again.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago - hide

Well, Bitter (and Champ) the overwhelming feeling here in Buffalo is that this coming season will be Diggs last here. Impossible to drop him now due to cap considerations, and no one would trade for his high compensation package anyway.

GM Brandon Beane is one of the best in the business, and I believe he will do the right thing and cut him next March. It's the old Belichick theory that it is better to get rid of someone a year early than a year late. Besides, as everyone knows, Diggs can be a handful to accommodate (just ask the Vikings).

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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

Have a Genesee Cream Ale for me.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago - hide

Well, Bitter (and Champ) the overwhelming feeling here in Buffalo is that this coming season will be Diggs last here. Impossible to drop him now due to cap considerations, and no one would trade for his high compensation package anyway.

GM Brandon Beane is one of the best in the business, and I believe he will do the right thing and cut him next March. It's the old Belichick theory that it is better to get rid of someone a year early than a year late. Besides, as everyone knows, Diggs can be a handful to accommodate (just ask the Vikings).

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

I'm far from a capologist, but both Over the Cap and Spotrac conclude realistically that the Bills couldn't trade Diggs now no matter what. Even next year at this time - cutting him will be a big dead cap hit, but given all the circumstances it must be done at that time. All the more reason that finding their new #1 receiver is a must in this draft.

Glad to hear you are originally from Rochester. I'm going there next week for an Amerks game (since the Sabres once again are out of playoff contention). It's worth the 1 hour trip if only to get $2 draft beers instead of the $17.50 I pay at the Sabres arena.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
8 month(s) 2 day(s) ago - hide
Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

@42yardline

And I hope you don't think I'm disparaging Buffalo in any way. The Bills are a top-notch organization with the best fan base. I was also born in Rochester and am Rust Belt through and through.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
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Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

Yeah, he just seems like an odd, high-maintenance dude.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago - hide

Well, Bitter (and Champ) the overwhelming feeling here in Buffalo is that this coming season will be Diggs last here. Impossible to drop him now due to cap considerations, and no one would trade for his high compensation package anyway.

GM Brandon Beane is one of the best in the business, and I believe he will do the right thing and cut him next March. It's the old Belichick theory that it is better to get rid of someone a year early than a year late. Besides, as everyone knows, Diggs can be a handful to accommodate (just ask the Vikings).

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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

I think the Bills may already be a year late with Diggs.

If you had to guess, how rich do you think trade compensation for Diggs would be?

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
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Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

By the way, I don't think Diggs wants to be anywhere. He seems to wear out his welcome wherever he is. He has failed to learn that the grass is not always greener elsewhere.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
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Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

@The Champ 

It's possible. I'm not reading too much into the brief McDaniel/Worthy exchange. Effusive and humorous is pretty much McDaniel's default setting.

I'm kinda at the other end with what MIA could be targeting on offense. They have plenty of speed. A big, physical WR for Tua to lean on in short yardage/red zone situations is what they need. I think they're doing their due diligence on speedsters like Worthy and Roman Wilson as options at 2.55 because they know keeping both Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle won't be financially tenable if/when they pay Tua.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
8 month(s) 2 day(s) ago - hide
Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
8 month(s) 0 day(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter After the Mike McDaniel-Worthy lovefest at Texas' Pro Day, and in thinking about how the Dolphins absolutely covet speed, I could see him going 21st now.  I really could.  Miami's target tree has become incredibly thin, and maybe they think it would be good to get another speed merchant on the field for Tua to get the ball to.  
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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
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Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
8 month(s) 1 day(s) ago

@The Champ 

Worthy definitely could go 1st round. I wouldn't be shocked if he was WR4 and drafted top-20. I'm just arguing his fit for BUF in particular, which may need more of a sure thing at WR - especially if Diggs is traded. I think I'm just more concerned about the weight than you guys are. If you run around on an NFL field at less than 170 lbs you're going to get hurt. If you look at the history of slim reaper WR prospects...Paul Richardson, Terrence Edwards, Snoop Minnis, Dede Westbrook, Tavon Austin, etc, etc...the track record is miserable. DeVonta Smith and Tank Dell are the outliers. I like DeVonta, but he's more deluxe WR2 than WR1 and wasn't worth that 1.10 investment, IMO. Dell is already having problems with injuries.

There are also some concerning underlying analytics with Worthy:

Right off the bat, he has a career catch rate <60%. Not good.

His career QBR when targeted - a solid predictive metric for NFL success - would be the lowest of WRs drafted in the last five seasons.

Worthy - in theory - is that lid-lifting deep threat at the NFL level, but he was really never even that at Texas. Only 23% of Worthy's 1014 REC yards last season were deep yards, while nearly 40% of those yards came on screens.

If I'm being purely predictive, I'm guessing late 1st/early 2nd for Worthy. He just scares me and I personally believe he's becoming an overrated prospect. He's my anti-Chop Robinson lol.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
8 month(s) 2 day(s) ago - hide
Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
8 month(s) 1 day(s) ago

@The Champ 

It would currently be $50M dead money, but if Diggs is traded post-June 1st it's $9M dead money, with $20M cap savings. That's not much more dead money than they just took on by releasing Tre'Davious White.

It just feels like something has to give. The Bills have only $4M in effective cap space and still need to make a few more upgrades, sign their rookies, practice squad, etc. They just gave fresh deals to Dion Dawkins, Taron Johnson, DaQuan Jones. A.J. Epenesa and Taylor Rapp, restructured the Josh Allen and Von Miller deals, and have a good amount of core contributors (Rousseau, Kincaid, Cook, Torrence, etc) on rookie deals, so they don't have a ton of restructuring wiggle room left. They almost have to get younger/cheaper at a premium position and Diggs is declining, expensive and doesn't want to be there.

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Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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@42yardline I agree with you on Worthy and think he ends up in the 1st, though I admittedly have him going 32nd so it's not like he's a lock.  Of course, we all know about the 40 record.  But unlike someone like Darrius Heyward-Bey, I feel like Worthy is a decent route-runner.  Sure, perhaps the slight frame is a concern, but similar things were said about Devonta Smith too.  If he's there for the Chiefs at 32, that just feels like an ideal fit to me.  
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Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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@Mr. Bitter The only thing keeping me from thinking that Diggs will get moved this year is the dead cap hit, regardless of whether it's a trade or just from cutting him.  (And they obviously wouldn't do that.)  If I'm looking at it correctly, Diggs not being on the team would cost them nearly $50MM in dead cap.  So I just don't think it's tenable.  Even next year, it would still be a $22MM dead cap hit, though I find that to be much more plausible.  
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Always appreciate your comments, Bitter, but I guess we will agree to disagree on Worthy's worthiness. I believe solid NFL coaching will help get the speedster out into his routes quickly. With fellow receivers Diggs, Kincaid, and an improving Shakir (not to mention James Cook coming out of the backfield), opponents will find it difficult to cover everyone. This will likely work to the rookie's advantage. However, certainly Brian Thomas would fit nicely with this group as well.
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@42yardline 

Thanks, and likewise. You could easily be right. No risk it, no biscuit. Worthy is just so skinny. It's a concern. Especially out there in the cold AFC East with those 6-1/205ish freakish press corners like Sauce, Ramsey, Gonzalez, Fuller...I dunno. Those guys are great athletes in their own right and got Worthy by 35-40 pounds.  Just feels like they would jam Worthy up all day and never give him a bite to eat, especially early in his career. Seems like more of a 2nd round risk/reward investment, but I could be totally wrong.

So what do you think is going to happen with Diggs? It's beginning to feel like an irreconcilable differences-type situation in BUF and he'll be with the Giants, Steelers or Ravens or something before long.

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Buffalo will take either Brian Thomas or Xavier Worthy. Not only does Worthy have speed but he runs good routes. Matching him with Josh Allen would be very similar to the former combo of Pat Mahommes / Tyreek Hill.
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Buffalo will take either Brian Thomas or Xavier Worthy. Not only does Worthy have speed but he runs good routes. Matching him with Josh Allen would be very similar to the former combo of Pat Mahommes / Tyreek Hill.
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@42yardline 

I agree that BUF needs a WR - especially one that would allow Allen to stretch his arm out. (Also, Stefon Diggs probably isn't long for Buffalo.) If Brian Thomas is available the Bills better be all over that. I worry about Worthy translating, though.

The Worthy/Tyreek comps seem gracious. There's a huge difference between 5-11/165 and 5-8/185. Tyreek is short, but has always had a dense, muscular build and been very strong/physical off the line and in contested catch situations. Worthy is a flat out string bean. For as fast as he is, he's not very quick off the line and will probably always have trouble getting off vs. physical press coverage. I get that 4.21 is still 4.21, but I think Worthy would be a pretty high-risk 1st-rounder.

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Bills need a speedy receiver. Xavier Worthy is very fast and is a good route runner. Also, Josh Allen would love throwing him the long ball.
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Bills beat Miami by 4 TDs earlier this year. Dolphins have many key injuries now. It won't be 4 TDs this week, but Buffalo will have a convincing win.
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What's with the bashing of the Bill's defense? Despite losing 3 of their best defenders earlier this season, you call Buffalo's defense "One of the worst defenses in the league."

I refer you to the league's current standings. Buffalo gives up an average of 17 points per game. Only San Francisco, Baltimore, and Kansas City have given up fewer points per game. I think you should do your homework a little better before you make uninformed comments like that.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
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Well thought out, Bitter. You've done your homework better than most mocks I've seen. I do think, however, that Jordan Addison will go much earlier than mid-2nd round (quite possibly late 1st do to the lack of WR talent this year). Also, Musgrave will almost assuredly not be the the first TE taken. But overall- a solid mock with some good reasoning.
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Well thought out, Bitter. You've done your homework better than most mocks I've seen. I do think, however, that Jordan Addison will go much earlier than mid-2nd round (quite possibly late 1st do to the lack of WR talent this year). Also, Musgrave will almost assuredly not be the the first TE taken. But overall- a solid mock with some good reasoning.
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Mr. Bitter 323 Posts (462 )
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@42yardline 

Thanks.

You could easily be right about Addison. I just don't think it's an especially impressive WR class and doubt we see more than 3 or 4 (tops) go in the 1st round. Mid-to-late 1st round at that. I'm fairly confident that Johnston (size/true X) and Hyatt (deep speed) will come off the board in the 1st because they offer unique traits, but the rest of the top tier WRs are a jumble of slot-types. Slots aren't hard to find. The order in which they come off the board will depend on the team in need and what they're looking for to complement their current WR room. Addison just isn't as explosive as Flowers, JSN, and Downs, IMO, and seems more likely to slip.

I know the Musgrave pick is risky, but I'm not buying the Kincaid/1st round hype, and Mayer could drop on some boards. Just a hunch/team fit thing. There are always a few picks like that in the 1st round and it felt feasible. DET/Porter and GB/Musgrave are partly my attempt to forecast those inevitable surprise picks. 

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